Islam is carnal and vulgar; it cannot provide human beings with the necessary morals and ethics that are so essential for the construction of a civil society, such as we see in The West.

A religion that can only maintain its adherents (and I’ve been threatened) resembles little more than some tawdry mafioso organisation.

Paul Williams has clearly lost the plot; his quest for certainty comes with many strings attached, one of which is the slow erosion of both moral clarity and intellectual acuity.

Their logic becomes broken and their reasoning more and more characterised by disconnected and incoherent gaps and lapses.

As the years go by these symptoms worsen, and it’s as though converts to islam are afflicted with what I can only refer to as “spiritual Alzheimers”.

That situation, that pathology is , as Alan Craig points out, DIRECTLY responsible for the disastrous and unprecedented economic, political and intellectual failures of the Muslim world.

I suggest that Mr Williams read some of Magdi Allam’s works…another apostate living under armed guard.

I just wanted to post a correction on the “big reward” that martyrs get in Islam. It’s apparently 72 mansions each containing 72 beds and with each bed you get 72 virgins so you have a total of 373,248 virgins.

Must be bloody big beds

So if you thought suicide bombers were carnal animals before what do you think of them now. Apparently the main reason for martyrdom though is because 70 members of your immediate family will guarantee salvation by your first drop of blood.

If you google Walid Shoebat he is an ex PLO islamic terrorist that has since brought Christ into his life for over 35 years now. He was a driver for Yasser Arafat. I got these islamic details from one of his youtube videos. Maybe you should invite him or one of the other Ex-terrorists/ Islamic Apostates as a surprise guest

One thing about Choudhary is at least he is honest about what he wants. I hate to think how many muslims in the UK are contemplating Jihad and hiding it with their Taqiyya.

Yet those who’ve never sinned cast the first stone.

Mohammed and Jesus have nothing in common and are not to be considered as being in the same category. The difference is very easy to spot and can be resumed as follows: Jesus took an unfortunate nine year old girl and raised her from the dead, whereas Mohammed pinned one down and raped her. Mohammed’s example, and a most disgusting and repugnant one it is, provide ample and tangible proof that he is not of the Abrahamic line, and that his claims to prophethood, to being the “seal” of the Hebrew prophets are but empty, boastful lies.

End of story.

All four schools of islamic ‘jurisprudence’ advocate the death penalty for apostasy, and they do so for some very obvious reasons. Islam is brittle, incoherent and full of imperfections, flaws and contradictions, all of which tend to sow doubt in the minds of “believers”, in ways Christianity simply never could. These harsh penalties are a reflection of islam’s inherent weakness and are designed to ruthlessly keep people in the fold. We should remember that the moment this “much-loved-perfect-example-for-all-time” died, the entire Arabian peninsula broke out into a violent, open revolt against islam’s dikatas, and it was a revolt that took several years and much blooshed to supress. One thinks of present-day events in Iran.

As an Iranian ex-pat and former Muslim ( now Christian) I completely concur with Mr Craig’s astute observation that Islam lacks almost any sense of spirituality in the way, say, a Buddhist or a Christian understands the term. When a belif system prides itself on being a “whole-way-of-life”, and when it dissolves the separation between the temporal and the spiritual, then that “belief” system morphs into just a plain old ideology, one driven by little more than worldly greed, avarice, conquest and material gain. It is no coincidence, for example, that the most violent, blood-thirsty, imperialistic and aggressive form of Christianity, that of Spanish Catholicism, was nurtured, developed and exported from a region of Europe, the Iberian Pneinsula, that had spent centuries suffering under the Muslim yoke, Muslim oppression. The conquistadors may have called themselves Christians, but their aims, their cold-blooded techniques, war tactics and strategies were entirely jihadist in nature.

The next time Mr Craig debates Muslims, I suggest he refer them to the writings of Magdi Allam, a form egyption Muslim and convert to Christianity. He is one of the best jouranlists/writers in not just Italy, but in all of Europe.Another individual with a unique perspective on Islam and Christianity is the Balkan film-maker, Emir Kosturica, former bosnian Muslim, but now a Christian.

I could cite many other such converts, but what I,d like people to remember most is that those westerners who do convert to islam tend to be mentally weak, have authoritarian tendancies and are sometimes not all that stable or intelligent. Muslim converts to Christianity tend, on the other hand, to be highy educated, mentally stable and intellectually vibrant. All of the Iranian converts from Islam to Christianity (and there are 1000s and 1000s of them) that I,ve met are all highly educated and with strong, stable psyches. Their Christianity was a lifeline that allowed them to rejoin civilisation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b0QKO1rJQ

On an unrelated point I find it slightly funny when he says that scripture shouldn’t be used to encourage morality. He then advocates the teaching of the golden rule instead. The irony is that this is taught in scripture! (Luke 6:31).

You have taken down or moved your offending post and you decline personally to debate the subject. Can I hope therefore you’ve come to see how your intervention on the issue simply adds to the atmosphere of threat and intimidation for ex-Muslims?

Ah yes, the “psycological”… “deep down in (my) unconscious” argument. I’ve been waiting for it and it’s taken 7 days to arrive! I simply want other Brits to see what happens to someone who has lived and breathed the UK’s liberal (in the good sense) cultural atmosphere and then converts to your sort of Islam. You make my case for me.

However I’ll be delighted to debate with Abdullah. He and I have enjoyed debating each other on an Islamic TV station.

Alan

I have read your post on my blog today. I confess to being a little tired of your (deliberate or just reflex?) distortions of my position on apostasy.

To reiterate: the position that Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi is taking is not simply to execute individuals who change their faith. No. It concerns those who openly declare a revolt against the state/community, which is akin to treason.

What you ignorantly describe as ‘a medieval notion’ is in fact the biblical penalty for apostasy (i.e God commanded it), and the Christian church, both Catholic and Protestant executed apostates and heretics for most of it’s long and bloody history. So you are in the ironic position of rejecting a clear biblical commandment and the teaching and practice of some of the greatest Christian theologians of all time such as Aquinas, Calvin and Luther.

But I think the real cause of your animus against me is psychological. You just can’t accept that a white middle-class Englishman (ie someone just like you) can convert to Islam. Deep down in your unconscious you probably feel that I have crossed over a civilisational divide that should not be crossed, that I have committed the sin of cultural betrayal.

The irony in all this of course is that Jesus was no nice white Englishman, but a Middle Easten Jew (who in the gospels advocated the death penalty), a man just as foreign to your culture as Muhammad was (peace be upon them both)!

Now to business.

You challenge me to a debate.

I am not an Islamic scholar and do not posses the requisite skills and knowledge to debate anyone on the issue of ‘executing apostates’. My speciality is Christology, the Bible and Christian theology. I am always happy to debate or discuss these subjects with Christians even at an academic level.

But speaking on behalf of the Muslim Debate Initiative (MDI) WE DO accept the challenge. Abdullah has put himself forward and would be happy to debate you.

We will be in touch to discuss the venue and date etc.

Paul

In the light of Mr Craig’s article above about my alleged views on apostasy I have written a further piece which clarifies what I understand to be the teaching of the Qur’an and the Sunnah on the subject of apostasy.

Craig will doubtless continue to disapprove of my views. But after further reflection I am satisfied that they reflect the authentic teaching of Islam.

Paul Williams

bloggingtheology.wordpress.com

You need to look at Christians – not governments. This is the problem when Church is married to State – the Church becomes corrupt, we see this since the time of Constantine. I agree that in the West atrocities take place – but don’t blame Christians, blame greed (which the Bible speaks against), blame hunger for power and money(which, again, the Bible speaks against). Blame the fallen nature of humanity! This fallen nature is in evidence the world over and Christ brings a solution to it!